Believe to Achieve
Jay Cutler's house
Hard and Heavy
Here are the long results:
Using 3 bottles Lutalyse from Upjohn and 60 amps of 5 cc from Sintyal (Argentinia).
The Upjohn is organic; the Sintyal syntetic (more slow acting).
390 cc for around 150 days, gives an average of 2.5 cc/day.
Started on may 22, last shot October 24.
Bad points for PG:
Too many injections
Needing the bathroom 20 minutes after injection, sometimes a few times in an
Cramps in the intestine
Cramps in the stomach also
Coughing after injection
Pain for 1-3 hours in the injected muscle.
Did i mention pain ?
Bad points nobody mentioned before:
Getting sensitive behind the nipples.
Nipple area SHRINKS to about 1/3 or less of the normal size.
Nipple itself enlarges, doubling in size even when injecting the arms. This
means the WHOLE body is involved.
Injecting in the abs muscle or fat results in a thickness that you can feel.
The abs muscle absorbs the Lutalyse, or the PG attaches to the abs muscles and
you cannot do anything against it, but wait until it goes away.
Pain in both feet when taking more then 1 ½ cc a day. This started about 1
month after the beginning. (Arthritis?).
Drinking Coke is unpleasant about one hour after the shot, it thickels too
Even drinking coffee feels too intense, unpleasant.
Good points for PG:
High blood pressure goes DOWN (the lower, dangerous one)
NO stress on liver.
NO stress on kidneys.
No need taking pills to go to the bathroom.
No prostate problems.
No hair loss.
No steroid rage.
No water retention (not at doses of 5 cc a day).
No growing hair on your body, besides everyone wants it on the head.
Getting used to the bad sides.
Putting the 30 gauge needle in is never a problem, unless you keep injecting
the same spot over and over.
Pain is diminishing.
You can draw up with a 30 gauge so you can shoot with a 31/32 if you can find
First 2 months only shooting in the arms and delts, mostly arms.
Third month alternating arms, delts, abs muscle. Meanwhile noticing arm size
Fourth and fifth month injection in the fat only.
Injections took place in the lower bi's/tri's, mid bi’s/tri's, higher bi's/tri's, brachialis, front
delts, side delts, rear delts, forearms, quads, waist every where, like abs
muscle, abs fat, lower back fat, higher back fat, sides (love handles),
obliques, chest under, chest behind the nipples.
No calve shooting since shooting the left quad made me walk like if i had an
So calves shooting wouldn't be any better, besides the Ranger pointed out
that shooting the calves would result in walking funny.
Forearms, stopped this after 5 or 6 injections (each side). Or it was in a
vein, hitting a nerve or bone. Bi's and tri's, stopped those because it
was getting harder and harder to do. But the ½ inch I gained after 5-6 weeks
did go away, so for me this was enough to stop shooting the arms. You know 1
step forward , 2 steps back, hate that.
I know of guys who didn't gain any muscle size of it, but a lot DID gain.
Maybe it depends on the doses, maybe it works more for some then for others.
Remember there are guys who gain almost nothing shooting Test and others will
grow like crazy. In my case maybe I should not have dropped the 11 pounds,
should have waited, who knows. As Darkham states maybe you should use extra
PG is a fat killer, that's for sure, my chest looks better, fat under the
nipple is less then before, almost gone completely. Also the lower back has
lost fat, before my lower back looked good in the morning, bad in the evening,
bad for me anyway. Now i am pleased with my lower back in the evening also.
This should say enough. Especially since after starting with the Lutalyse my
bodyweight was 198 pounds (coming off a Winny cycle) and i dropped 11 pounds
to look better, more cut. Now i am at 202 pounds (still on Primobolan) and
there is no need to drop weight. Dropping weight occurs only to loose bodyfat,
when it feels or looks not the way it should. You look better then before the
use of PG, that's a F A C T. As for the abs, this is more difficult to say,
because the six-pack isn't showing like it should (damn). Did shoot in the
abs muscle. Sometimes taking 2 cc and sticking myself in 10 different places
covering the abs area. Fat was lost in the abs, just don't know how much. If
you have very much fat, well you will need a lot more then 800 shots to even
see some results or you need MORE cc's.
Got me an injury in the uppermost right ab muscle. The echo in the hospital
showed that my abs muscle was 0.7 inch thick (1.7 cm). I had an injury of
about 0.4 inch (1 cm) around. It was a torn muscle, but why round like a
circle (?). Scary. If it didn't go away in 3 weeks an operation was needed
(in the abs, thanks but no thanks). So i trained very carefully, loosing some
size on the arms again, no tri's training since this involves a lot of abs
work. You notice this more when you are injured.
Convinced that the injury had nothing to do with the abs muscle injection, i
kept on injecting them, but not the injured spot.
After give or take 4 weeks, i did hit the repaired muscle again, and guess
7 days later, the injury was back, so no more abs muscle injection for me.
Besides i am not fully recovered of this injury right now.
Shooting fat in the abs, lower back and chest (under the nipple) resulted in
fat loss. After injecting the abs, a few days later the skin gets tighter, fat
is going away, BUT after a week it seems that the skin gets looser again, so :
a) there is water coming in (not going away, and this would be impossible, i
b) the body restores to the original state. This fast, so this means mostly
water disappeared and was coming back.
c) the body builds new fat cells to restore the imbalance it gets.
d) fat cells where not killed but getting smaller and recover after about a
week, but if this was the case, then why good results in the back and chest ?
e) any suggestions ?
Right know, fat cells are not coming back behind the nipples, sides, back or
abs. And i must stress abs are looking better, but the 600 mgr Primo/week can
make a difference. Just don't know for the moment.
The body does not fight back when your arms, delts get leaner. But where the
waist is concerned, the body fights back, maybe this is just a feeling. Also
shooting in the abs muscle OR fat resulted in a thickness that will stay there
for about 7-12 days and then goes away. As if the abs muscle sucks up the
Lutalyse INSTANTLY, and it does. I mean after shooting the abs (mostly 1 � cc
in 3 shots) i start massaging the injected area, but cannot alter the
thickness that comes right after injection. The Lutalyse attaches to the abs
won't let go. Shooting the muscle or fat gives the same result.
When I started with PG, like anybody else with small dosages, like 4x2 shots
of 0.2 cc, going up fast to 4x2x0.5 shots, arms changed impressively. Gaining
½ inch in 5-6 weeks.
They look leaner, more muscular. Max injected in bi's or tri's in one shot
was 1 � cc. After stopping arms injection the � inch gained was lost again,
as said, but they stayed very, very lean. Maybe the dosages where not high
enough, but 4-5 cc's a day was enough for me.
Odd but normally I gain 0.4 inch (1 cm) on the arms stuffing myself and
gaining 7 pounds, 0.8 inch for 14 pounds. But not anymore. Now coming from 187
pounds to 202 gains where barely 0.3 inch. This means my arms are leaned out,
although I did NOT have fatty arms on the outside (please give me a break),
maybe there was more on the inside. But now all fat seems to be disappeared.
Gaining or loosing weight does not alter the arm size anymore, not like
before. So it is hard to tell that there was no arm size gained. One doesn't
know how much fat there was lost. Let's say you loose � inch of fat, so you
have to gain ¾ inch of muscle to restore the original size. For me fat was
lost and muscle gained, but there was some size loss.
If you want to take more then 4-5 cc's a day, like 10 or 15, you will only
be able to do this for a few weeks. Big Brother Val is one of those extreme
very heavy users and he gets great results of it.
If you come off a cycle, changes are that you still have steroids in your body
for about a month, so you never where really off steroids, but maybe you gain and
keep more, since you are keeping your body in an anabolic state for a longer
So i think although it can be nice (not pleasant) to bridge with PG, you will
get better results taking steroids and PG together. Shooting steroids and a few
hours later PG gets you an effect way too strong, like getting an heart
attack, especially if the PG was shot in the fat, which lets the Lutalyse
stampeding through your lungs, mouth, everywhere. I had this effect and this
was 30 minutes after eating. It was 4 hours after a Primobolan shot. This
never occurs if you wait 7 or more hours. That's way I know steroids like
Primo work heavier a few hours after the shot. Taking steroids after the PG gives
no problems, best is to wait one hour, just to be sure.
When I said pain is there for between 1-3 hours. One hour is normal but
injecting in the left breast from down under up, to close to the ribcage
resulted in pain for 3 hours. It was a stupid shot, not using the mirror,
doing it way to fast, but after so many shots, you know...Well the pain, you
could feel in the heart muscle. The heart was definitely affected. Did this
only once. Shooting under the nipple is ok and did help a lot. Shots in the
lower back are the easiest of them all (after all those months anyway). Shots
in the sides are also easy to do. Obliques a little harder, but not that much.
Nobody mentions the nipple problem. Nipple area shrinking to 1/3 or less of
the normal size and nipple itself enlarging to double size. Getting very
sensitive as if gyno is coming up. But i have this already for 5 months, so i
guess it will be ok. This has nothing to do with shooting under the nipple.
Even injecting in the arms, and i started in the arms where else ? gave this
situation from the beginning.
Also after a month my feet began to hurt. After a month it was the right foot.
First you think you did something wrong training your calves, or going on the
stair stepper, you just don't know what is happening. Then a few weeks later
it's the left foot also. I don't know what it is, but it was getting
tougher and tougher. Standing still was very difficult. So i had to reduce the
cc's taken every day. Now after stopping for 3 days, the pain is going away.
It is still there but less intense.
Strange, even injecting the delts about 5 times less then the arms, they
respond better. So anyone remembers the late Dan Duchaine's words ?
They where getting lean and muscular, but all look like monkeys because of
At that point i think the late Dan didn't go deep enough in his study.
Why would any BB get delts like a monkey. There is not ONE BB that would shoot
PG for local growth in the delts alone. Not one. So everyone is/was shooting
the delts AND arms.
Why didn't Duchaine say: they all got over-developed arms. Well in my
bodyparts react better on PG then other, react better and grow better.
I felt progress in the delts myself, for keeps, not the arms though (no size
On a (pain) scale i would give PGF2a 8/10, (steroids 3/10) because if it would
be any harder to take, i would pass. You may not forget, this if for improving
your body, not your last change for STAYING ALIVE. But the pain gets less
intensive after months of shooting. In fact right now i could take this
forever, one injection cycle a day, otherwise it would be getting too much.
You know ....shoot, shoot , shoot
I know the Ranger gives PG 5-6 for pain, but he is a pain freak and not
everyone has the same pain level he has. Besides if he gives PG 5-6 he will
give steroids 1-2, i am very sure of this.
There are some good sides you can have using PG, but you are the only person
to judge this, since you have to go through a lot of discomfort. Don't buy too
much at once, buy one bottle, try it out, then decide if you want more. And
please use insulin needles. Some say shoot the PG 30 minutes after eating, for
your insulin release, I disagree. Shoot the PG and be sure to eat 5-10 minutes
after the shot and you definitely feel better. (I don't say your results will
I stopped after 5 months because i ran out of PG and one has to stop sometime.
Besides the bad, unknown sides that can come in the long run scare me.
Will I be on it again ? Don't know. If the fat stays away and the lean look
stays, no, because then I have all that is want. But doing it again, to be
even more lean, is very tempting.
Although it seems you can gain fast size on your arms, I think you can gain
this on steroids alone also. Even if it takes 3 months longer, it sure is more
comfortable. And why the rush ?
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